Comments on: On the Rails Maturity Model

By: Trevor Burnham

Trevor Burnham — Fri, 21 May 2010 18:18:18 +0000

I’m rather fond of Haml, actually, especially when used in conjunction with the tremendously useful Sass. Using indentation instead of closing tags means shorter, more readable layout files that are much easier to refactor. What’s wrong with that?

By: James Britt

James Britt — Fri, 21 May 2010 18:10:47 +0000

“Haml is clumsy, brutal, ugly, wrong and demonstrably fucked.”

And people thought *I* was harsh when I dissed the One True Template

By: Tensor

Tensor — Fri, 21 May 2010 17:47:46 +0000

I don’t love or hate HAML, but if you are going to say something is “demonstrably fucked” maybe you should actually blog about or link to something that supports the “demonstrably” part rather than ending the blog post with a statement that sounds like a fait accompli

By: grimen

grimen — Fri, 21 May 2010 17:31:17 +0000

I agree on the maturity model, I believe in freedom of expressions so to say – I mean, _why hardly followed “best practices”. But you lost my vote when starting going at HAML, you contradicted yourself there. For you it might not be useful, but for me and many many others HAML/SASS is one of the better Rails plugins – though I personally don’t do or want to expect everyone to use it. Analyze your words, and you will see what I mean with contradiciton.

By: Francis Fish

Francis Fish — Fri, 21 May 2010 09:49:57 +0000

Personally found that HAML gets in the way when talking to customers and designers who don’t do Python and ERB is a templating language they can understand quickly because it doesn’t involve anything that’s clever for its own sake. HAML’s for hacking and being obscure. I won’t use it on any new projects because it cost me a good customer one time – not making this up.

I like Sass, but like Toby just said – not the same thing, just uses some similar ideas.

Back to the Maturity Model – this is 1980/90′s management crap rebranded – some kind of pyramid with godlike status at the top? Level 1 is being able to do “stuff”, 2 repeat it consistently – 3/4/5 are so memorable I can’t remember them.

By: Toby Hede

Toby Hede — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:47:56 +0000

What “true power” does HAML possess? I have yet to see a single concrete instance of HAML’s incredible disadvantages outweighing any of it’s supposed benefits over ERB or other templating tools.

Sass actually makes some sense, but it’s not the same as HAML.

By: pimpmaster

pimpmaster — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:41:18 +0000

I always laugh at people who hate on HAML, they obviously have never tapped its true power, especially Sass.

Your loss I suppose

By: ferrisoxide

ferrisoxide — Fri, 08 May 2009 12:25:52 +0000

When I first heard about RMM I thought it was some weird reality-hacking, April-fool’s joke.

When I watched the vids and thought “man, these guys can really keep a straight face”.

*Shrug*.. I dig Obie, et al.. and I’ve often thought that RoR had a maturity problem, but I’m not sure this is the solution

By: lolcatz

lolcatz — Tue, 05 May 2009 12:17:00 +0000

Totally agree.

RMM sucks. Haml sucks. I ABSOLUTELY love writing CSS and HTML, without that HAMLish crap.

By: on-scene reporter

on-scene reporter — Tue, 05 May 2009 00:52:30 +0000

@Toby – Amen, brother. RMM sucks — big-time. If I may coin a term right here, it’s rutarded. Hopefully more bloggers will ridicule it until it becomes a source of unbearable shame for its “practitioners”. The word Rails shouldn’t be in it. That said, don’t run from Rails. Rails still rules in spite of RMM… so stick with it!