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	<title>Comments on: The great Twitter Ruby vs Scala war debate</title>
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		<title>By: ueckerman.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Book review: Programming Scala</title>
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		<dc:creator>ueckerman.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Book review: Programming Scala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on Rails. 4 years later and Scala is getting some serious water-cooler time - especially since the Ruby vs Scala flame wars prompted by Twitters move from Ruby to Scala for back-end grunt. So I choose Programming Scala - [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on Rails. 4 years later and Scala is getting some serious water-cooler time &#8211; especially since the Ruby vs Scala flame wars prompted by Twitters move from Ruby to Scala for back-end grunt. So I choose Programming Scala &#8211; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dobba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dobba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 01:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only reason Twitter is so popular is because it is filled with wannabe web savants tweeting about how great twitter is. It is potentially just another vacuous example of the self-consuming technology hype cycle. Anyone remember Second Life?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only reason Twitter is so popular is because it is filled with wannabe web savants tweeting about how great twitter is. It is potentially just another vacuous example of the self-consuming technology hype cycle. Anyone remember Second Life?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://topsecretproject.finitestatemachine.com/2009/04/the-great-twitter-ruby-vs-scala-war-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 01:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to know how,why, and what the solution is to the &quot;you&#039;re doing it wrong&quot; comment on a ruby type-system. Personally, I don&#039;t see how duck typing is that great unless you&#039;re sure something is a duck and can quack in the first place ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to know how,why, and what the solution is to the &#8220;you&#8217;re doing it wrong&#8221; comment on a ruby type-system. Personally, I don&#8217;t see how duck typing is that great unless you&#8217;re sure something is a duck and can quack in the first place &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Toby Hede</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toby Hede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 01:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no idea what this means, but it&#039;s very well written.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea what this means, but it&#8217;s very well written.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A mindless Atrocity, oh how can you praise and give honor, money, and Pulitzer’s to them. Those who build tyranny , the suffering of men .That leave land stricken and with childless mom&#039;s. Unveil their creation, the nuclear and atomic bomb. Men that create wealth out of another&#039;s confusion. Paint a picture, but one of delusion. I will bring you water, I will dig your pits. But, I will be buried upon where you sit. Do you stop to hear me cry or am I silenced by the voices of my oppressor’s lies. Can you reach out to me, just to grab my hand? Can we talk for awhile? you might understand? They don’t know the true God as I do? Did he steal, kill, and destroy you mindless fool?  Did he? Did he? Can you go on breathing, believing, and thinking you are safe? Bury your holes the end is near the hour grows late.  Step back raise up, live, laugh, and love. Show your mercy and kindness as heaven above. So bring your chaos and your disorder, my nightmare, your New world Order
 
You will be judged, raped, poor and rid. Not because you are guilty, but because you say &quot;it’s not my kids&quot;! People too skinny, frail, and broke. We drink our wine; eat our steak as we choke. When will the chaos end? When will we embrace each other not as acquaintances but friends?  We say kill them all, let their house fall, which of you cares it is sin they bear. They don’t know the true God as I do? Did he steal, kill, and destroy you mindless fool? Did he? Did he? Can you go on breathing, believing, and thinking you are safe? Bury your holes the end is near the hour grows late.  Step back raise up, live, laugh, and love. Show your mercy and kindness as heaven above.  . So bring your chaos and your disorder, my nightmare, your New world Order

Act like you don’t know me. Rolls your eyes as never to unfold me. Look at me are we not brothers? Abraham as our Father and Eve as our mother? Can we take a few steps in the sand or do we only glance to pass money by hand. Do I repulse you? The flies that consume me?  Did you turn off your television in your air conditioned living room as they brought genocide and abused me? They don’t know the true God as I do? Did he steal, kill, and destroy you mindless fool?  Did he? Did he? Can you go on breathing, believing, and thinking you are safe? Bury your holes the end is near the hour grows late.  Step back raise up, live, laugh, and love. Show your mercy and kindness as heaven above. . So bring your chaos and your disorder, my nightmare, your New world Order

Share your secrets about heaven above, as you bring chaos, missiles, and no message of love. Prey on my land steal my resources. Bring your law that lends it’s divorces. Transcend me, bring me into the brightest of light. Where jets drop bombs and bodies ignite. Is this your vision? The mystery to fathom? Is this the reason and my days as you have them?  They don’t know the true God as I do? Did he steal, kill, and destroy you mindless fool?  Did he? Did he? Can you go on breathing, believing, and thinking you are safe? Bury your holes the end is near the hour grows late.  Step back raise up, live, laugh, and love. Show your mercy and kindness as heaven above. . So bring your chaos and your disorder, my nightmare, your New world Order
Corporations without border, to feed the vile of greed. You plant on this earth the devil’s seed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A mindless Atrocity, oh how can you praise and give honor, money, and Pulitzer’s to them. Those who build tyranny , the suffering of men .That leave land stricken and with childless mom&#8217;s. Unveil their creation, the nuclear and atomic bomb. Men that create wealth out of another&#8217;s confusion. Paint a picture, but one of delusion. I will bring you water, I will dig your pits. But, I will be buried upon where you sit. Do you stop to hear me cry or am I silenced by the voices of my oppressor’s lies. Can you reach out to me, just to grab my hand? Can we talk for awhile? you might understand? They don’t know the true God as I do? Did he steal, kill, and destroy you mindless fool?  Did he? Did he? Can you go on breathing, believing, and thinking you are safe? Bury your holes the end is near the hour grows late.  Step back raise up, live, laugh, and love. Show your mercy and kindness as heaven above. So bring your chaos and your disorder, my nightmare, your New world Order</p>
<p>You will be judged, raped, poor and rid. Not because you are guilty, but because you say &#8220;it’s not my kids&#8221;! People too skinny, frail, and broke. We drink our wine; eat our steak as we choke. When will the chaos end? When will we embrace each other not as acquaintances but friends?  We say kill them all, let their house fall, which of you cares it is sin they bear. They don’t know the true God as I do? Did he steal, kill, and destroy you mindless fool? Did he? Did he? Can you go on breathing, believing, and thinking you are safe? Bury your holes the end is near the hour grows late.  Step back raise up, live, laugh, and love. Show your mercy and kindness as heaven above.  . So bring your chaos and your disorder, my nightmare, your New world Order</p>
<p>Act like you don’t know me. Rolls your eyes as never to unfold me. Look at me are we not brothers? Abraham as our Father and Eve as our mother? Can we take a few steps in the sand or do we only glance to pass money by hand. Do I repulse you? The flies that consume me?  Did you turn off your television in your air conditioned living room as they brought genocide and abused me? They don’t know the true God as I do? Did he steal, kill, and destroy you mindless fool?  Did he? Did he? Can you go on breathing, believing, and thinking you are safe? Bury your holes the end is near the hour grows late.  Step back raise up, live, laugh, and love. Show your mercy and kindness as heaven above. . So bring your chaos and your disorder, my nightmare, your New world Order</p>
<p>Share your secrets about heaven above, as you bring chaos, missiles, and no message of love. Prey on my land steal my resources. Bring your law that lends it’s divorces. Transcend me, bring me into the brightest of light. Where jets drop bombs and bodies ignite. Is this your vision? The mystery to fathom? Is this the reason and my days as you have them?  They don’t know the true God as I do? Did he steal, kill, and destroy you mindless fool?  Did he? Did he? Can you go on breathing, believing, and thinking you are safe? Bury your holes the end is near the hour grows late.  Step back raise up, live, laugh, and love. Show your mercy and kindness as heaven above. . So bring your chaos and your disorder, my nightmare, your New world Order<br />
Corporations without border, to feed the vile of greed. You plant on this earth the devil’s seed.</p>
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		<title>By: Daily Links 10/4/2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daily Links 10/4/2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 22:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ruby vs Scala - Si, ancora [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ruby vs Scala &#8211; Si, ancora [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Heittman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Heittman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: the Afterthought.  I suspect the super-painful code/compile/deploy cycle isn&#039;t Java&#039;s fault, it&#039;s JEE&#039;s.  In our OSGi-based environment we can write Java or Scala modules, export the classes with a click, and drop them into a running system to either augment or replace a specific component.

I know this realtime mashup ability flies in the face of the very structured application release lifecycle preferred inside the enterprise ... but it works very well for managing large and complex, always-up, web services, where you change one aspect at a time.  This is no new idea for script-based Web developers ... (PHP, Ruby) but the notion that you can do it with Java is somewhat heretical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: the Afterthought.  I suspect the super-painful code/compile/deploy cycle isn&#8217;t Java&#8217;s fault, it&#8217;s JEE&#8217;s.  In our OSGi-based environment we can write Java or Scala modules, export the classes with a click, and drop them into a running system to either augment or replace a specific component.</p>
<p>I know this realtime mashup ability flies in the face of the very structured application release lifecycle preferred inside the enterprise &#8230; but it works very well for managing large and complex, always-up, web services, where you change one aspect at a time.  This is no new idea for script-based Web developers &#8230; (PHP, Ruby) but the notion that you can do it with Java is somewhat heretical.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Sanchez &#187; Language wars</title>
		<link>http://topsecretproject.finitestatemachine.com/2009/04/the-great-twitter-ruby-vs-scala-war-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan Sanchez &#187; Language wars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 19:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it just me who&#8217;s loving this whole Ruby vs. Scala debate going on lately? So far it shows [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it just me who&#8217;s loving this whole Ruby vs. Scala debate going on lately? So far it shows [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ennuyer.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 2009-04-07- Today’s Ruby/Rails Reading</title>
		<link>http://topsecretproject.finitestatemachine.com/2009/04/the-great-twitter-ruby-vs-scala-war-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Ennuyer.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 2009-04-07- Today’s Ruby/Rails Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  The great Twitter Ruby vs Scala war debate — TopSecretProject  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Roshan Shrestha</title>
		<link>http://topsecretproject.finitestatemachine.com/2009/04/the-great-twitter-ruby-vs-scala-war-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>Roshan Shrestha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“The JVM is just about the best platform there is for high-scalability.”

True, and this is so not because of just the virtual machine itself, but because Java has the most extensive libraries among all languages, stuff like JMS (which Twitter should have used), Lucene, Hadoop, iText, and many others. 

You can code using your favorite language and still use the Java libraries. Of course, you better code in Java if you want to write libraries for the JVM that others may use!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The JVM is just about the best platform there is for high-scalability.”</p>
<p>True, and this is so not because of just the virtual machine itself, but because Java has the most extensive libraries among all languages, stuff like JMS (which Twitter should have used), Lucene, Hadoop, iText, and many others. </p>
<p>You can code using your favorite language and still use the Java libraries. Of course, you better code in Java if you want to write libraries for the JVM that others may use!</p>
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